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Alexander Schreiber (11-16-19, 11:02 PM)
Hi,

After many years, I've started playing with OpenVMS again. The current
toy of choice is a MicroVAX3900 in SIMH with 256MB of RAM running OpenVMS
7.2 for VAX. Of course if complains about not having an active license.

Since this is strictly for non-commercial, hobbyist "learning and playing
around", I figured the Hobbyist license should be fine. I've found a HP
website for requesting the Hobbyist license, dug up my old DECUS member
number & submitted all the requested details. Got a mail that said
"Your message is important to us. It has been forwarded to the HP
OpenVMS Systems response team." promising follow-up, but silence
so far after 4 days.

Does anybody know what the current state of the OpenVMS hobbyist program
is, if it is still alive?

Kind regards,
Alex.
Simon Clubley (11-17-19, 01:40 AM)
On 2019-11-16, Alexander Schreiber <als> wrote:
> Does anybody know what the current state of the OpenVMS hobbyist program
> is, if it is still alive?


It should be.

The Hobbyist program is managed by VMS Engineering in India so
responses to hobbyist requests are done on India business time.

Did you fill in the field which asks what you are using the
hobbyist program for ?

It's not marked as mandatory, but HPE have refused to process
licence renewal requests of mine in the past until I filled in
that field.

BTW, to any VSI people reading this, do you know what the current
state of the VSI hobbyist plans are ?

Thanks,

Simon.
Alexander Schreiber (11-17-19, 03:00 AM)
Simon Clubley <clubley> wrote:
> On 2019-11-16, Alexander Schreiber <als> wrote:
>> Does anybody know what the current state of the OpenVMS hobbyist program
>> is, if it is still alive?

> It should be.


Good to know, thanks.

> The Hobbyist program is managed by VMS Engineering in India so
> responses to hobbyist requests are done on India business time.
> Did you fill in the field which asks what you are using the
> hobbyist program for ?


Yep, IIRC "Hobbyist use and learning about VMS" or something like that.

> It's not marked as mandatory, but HPE have refused to process
> licence renewal requests of mine in the past until I filled in
> that field.
> BTW, to any VSI people reading this, do you know what the current
> state of the VSI hobbyist plans are ?


Kind regards,
Alex.
John H. Reinhardt (11-17-19, 04:37 AM)
On 11/16/2019 7:00 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> Simon Clubley <clubley> wrote:
> Good to know, thanks.


Not to mention that it's pretty much one engineer named Hari and sometimes he misses an email. It doesn't hurt to re-apply again after a few days. Best is to time it during the week and daytime in India if you can. Another possibility is an email to openvmscustomerlab asking about your application. That could also jog the process.
[..]
IanD (11-17-19, 07:07 AM)
Perhaps advance on from the Vax to an alpha?



It's more limited compared to the HP hobbyist program that used to include clustering as well but it's at least something from VSI after a long wait

Not sure that I'd call it a hobbyist licence because hobbyist to me means more than just tyre kicking but as I said, it's a start from VSI

It contains an alpha emulator as well
David Wade (11-17-19, 12:29 PM)
On 16/11/2019 21:02, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
[..]
> is, if it is still alive?
> Kind regards,
> Alex. It says it checks the decus number. Is it still for a valid open chapter?


Dave
Alexander Schreiber (11-17-19, 02:46 PM)
David Wade <g4ugm> wrote:
> On 16/11/2019 21:02, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> It says it checks the decus number. Is it still for a valid open chapter?


Well, I registered for DECUS as a student 20 years ago when I got my
hands on a VAXstation 3100/M38, with DECUS Germany. Which got absorbed
into Connect Germany and I provided that as my chapter, so ... maybe?

Kind regards,
Alex.
Jan-Erik Sderholm (11-17-19, 03:13 PM)
Den 2019-11-17 kl. 13:46, skrev Alexander Schreiber:
> David Wade <g4ugm> wrote:
> Well, I registered for DECUS as a student 20 years ago when I got my
> hands on a VAXstation 3100/M38, with DECUS Germany. Which got absorbed
> into Connect Germany and I provided that as my chapter, so ... maybe?
> Kind regards,
> Alex.


I still use my Swedish DECUS member number from the 80's. Don't know if
that is relevant here. But then, last time I requested a hobbyist licence
package was a few years ago.
Michael Kraemer @ home (11-17-19, 06:49 PM)
Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> Does anybody know what the current state of the OpenVMS hobbyist program
> is, if it is still alive?


I received fresh licenses six weeks ago.
Current address is

DECUS number works.
Don't forget to fill "How do you use the Hobbyist Program?"
with some credible intention.
Alexander Schreiber (11-17-19, 10:10 PM)
IanD <iloveopenvms> wrote:
> Perhaps advance on from the Vax to an alpha?
>


Unfortunately, that kit requires Windows. Buying a Windows license
(Microsoft still wants money for those, right?) and setting up a properly
isolated VM just for this is too much trouble for me. I haven't run
Windows in a long time and have no intention to change that any time soon.

Besides, I'm more comfortable on ${UNIX} anyway.

But thanks for the pointer.

Kind regards,
Alex.
Simon Clubley (11-18-19, 01:49 AM)
On 2019-11-17, IanD <iloveopenvms> wrote:
> Perhaps advance on from the Vax to an alpha?
>
> It's more limited compared to the HP hobbyist program that used to include clustering as well but it's at least something from VSI after a long wait


This is more of a student turnkey system than a hobbyist kit.

The real question is what happens when the licence in the kit expires.

Can you load a new licence into your existing version of the kit
(hence preserving your custom configuration) or are you expected to
customise a new system disk from scratch whenever the VSI licences expire ?

I asked that question here but never got an answer from VSI other than
it was aimed as a student learning kit and not as a traditional
experienced VMS hobbyist environment.

Simon.
Jan-Erik Sderholm (11-18-19, 09:18 AM)
Den 2019-11-18 kl. 00:49, skrev Simon Clubley:

> Can you load a new licence into your existing version of the kit
> (hence preserving your custom configuration)...


Strictly technically, yes.
Hans Bachner (11-18-19, 02:46 PM)
Simon Clubley schrieb am 18.11.2019 um 00:49:
> [snip]
> This is more of a student turnkey system than a hobbyist kit.
> The real question is what happens when the licence in the kit expires.


Well, the same thing as if a "normal" PAK expires. No more networking,
access only through OPA0.

> Can you load a new licence into your existing version of the kit
> (hence preserving your custom configuration) or are you expected to
> customise a new system disk from scratch whenever the VSI licences expire ?


I don't know whether VSI will provide the PAKs without the whole student
kit. If not, you can always configure the new virtual disk as a second
disk to your expiring/expired student kit, extract the PAKs from the new
license database and register them on your "old" system.

It's a bit cumbersome, but probably less work than re-apply your
customizations.

On the other hand, if you don't have access to the VSI software kits,
using the new student kit is the only way to keep up to date with
software versions and patches...

> I asked that question here but never got an answer from VSI other than
> it was aimed as a student learning kit and not as a traditional
> experienced VMS hobbyist environment.


I also hope this will change in the future. But currently they obviously
have more important stuff to do, like finalizing the V9.0 EAK and
dealing with the new support situation.

Hans.
kammerer001 (11-18-19, 04:39 PM)
понедельник, 18 ноября 2019 г., 4:49:47 UTC+5 пользователь Simon Clubley написал:
[..]
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.


Simon,

The only way one can use the licenses provided by the student kit is to usethem with the emulator. So if you extract or copy them either way, you arestill only allowed to install and continue using them with FreeAXP in non-commercial purposes. In other words, you can extract the paks if you want to, but it is only officially allowed in case you want to activate your already fully installed and configured training environment so that you don't need to configure it once again.

As for the hobbyist program, indeed, plans for one are currently being discussed by VSI but this student kit will be available no matter what decisionis ultimately taken.

Yours respectfully,

Maxim Megalinskiy

VSI Training Team
Simon Clubley (11-18-19, 08:46 PM)
On 2019-11-18, kammerer001 <kammerer001> wrote:
> ???????????, 18 ?????? 2019 ?., 4:49:47 UTC+5 ???????????? Simon Clubley ???????:
> As for the hobbyist program, indeed, plans for one are currently being discussed by VSI but this student kit will be available no matter what decision is ultimately taken.


Does anyone at VSI know if there _will_ be a VSI hobbyist program in
some form or are the discussions at VSI about whether there _should_
even be a VSI hobbyist program ?

I don't see any prospect of HPE issuing a final set of non-terminating
hobbyist licences. After all, why should HPE go to the legal effort
of clearing that and implementing it when they are leaving the VMS
business ? We don't even know if it's even legally possible for HPE
to issue those types of hobbyist licences in the first place.

As such, given how long VSI hobbyist licences have been under discussion
without anything happening, there's a real risk here that VSI management
decide not to offer a hobbyist program for various reasons and therefore
the VMS hobbyist world may very well come to a sudden end in about a year.

Simon.

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