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Soviet_Mario (10-11-18, 05:49 PM)
does anybody knows a software for creating a personal cloud ?
I mean some server "lite" very easy to configure or
pre-configured for the task, in order to build a personal
cloud ?

With "personal cloud" I mean a remote shared disk (or just
some folders) accessible via web and linux gui clients, in
other words a sort of "DropBox" but using one's own disk
storage as cloud depot.

Obviously safe sw (not easily intruded), and able also to
sub-share parts of the cloud space with other users invited
or given some credentials.

I'm rather pessimistic about this ... but an attempt to ask
for is worth while !

Ciao
Carlos E.R. (10-11-18, 06:55 PM)
On 11/10/2018 17.49, Soviet_Mario wrote:
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> I'm rather pessimistic about this ... but an attempt to ask for is worth
> while !
> Ciao


ownCloud?

J.O. Aho (10-11-18, 07:01 PM)
On 10/11/18 5:49 PM, Soviet_Mario wrote:
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> credentials.
> I'm rather pessimistic about this ... but an attempt to ask for is worth
> while !


nextCloud

Home Page:
Wikipedia:

IMHO easier to upgrade to a new version than ownCloud. Both the
nextCloud and ownClound client works as the API is still quite similar.
Soviet_Mario (10-11-18, 07:36 PM)
On 11/10/18 17:49, Soviet_Mario wrote:

for example, what do you think about these two ...




and



are they difficult to configure for a person without
experience with servers ?
Do they install a minimal server along with the cloud client ?
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Soviet_Mario (10-11-18, 07:39 PM)
On 11/10/18 19:36, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 11/10/18 17:49, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> for example, what do you think about these two ...
>
>
> and
>


oh, sorry, I met problems in posting and the post was deferred.
I see now you two have replied with the same suggestions ...
I'm gonna try one of them.

Thanks
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William Unruh (10-11-18, 08:56 PM)
On 2018-10-11, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario> wrote:
> does anybody knows a software for creating a personal cloud ?
> I mean some server "lite" very easy to configure or
> pre-configured for the task, in order to build a personal
> cloud ?
> With "personal cloud" I mean a remote shared disk (or just
> some folders) accessible via web and linux gui clients, in
> other words a sort of "DropBox" but using one's own disk
> storage as cloud depot.


Do you mean some disk whose partitions can bee remote mounted by NFS?
Is that similar to what you mean?
> Obviously safe sw (not easily intruded), and able also to
> sub-share parts of the cloud space with other users invited
> or given some credentials.


Sounds like NFS to me.
J.O. Aho (10-11-18, 09:57 PM)
On 10/11/18 8:56 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-10-11, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario> wrote:
> Do you mean some disk whose partitions can bee remote mounted by NFS?
> Is that similar to what you mean?
> Sounds like NFS to me.


I have been using NFS since 1990's and I have still not seen an invite
system built into NFS :)

The OP is looking for nextCloud/ownCloud or similar solutions.
William Unruh (10-11-18, 10:54 PM)
On 2018-10-11, J.O. Aho <user> wrote:
> On 10/11/18 8:56 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> I have been using NFS since 1990's and I have still not seen an invite
> system built into NFS :)


As with all Linux/Unix tools, you use many small tools to build a big
system. If you want to invite someone, you can always send them and
email. Besides it sounded to me like he really wanted this for his own
use, not for distributing stuff to a huge crown of people. I guess the
subtext was to try to find out what it was that he really wanted. It
sounded like he had found a "solution" (cloud something or another) to
an ill defined problem he had. Without a clear view of the problem,
finding the best solution is hopeless.

> The OP is looking for nextCloud/ownCloud or similar solutions.

O
You know this how? Yes, he talks about "cloud" but that is not problem.
It is a solution. I would like to know what problem it is he wants to
solve first.
Soviet_Mario (10-12-18, 11:35 AM)
On 11/10/18 20:56, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-10-11, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario> wrote:
> Do you mean some disk whose partitions can bee remote mounted by NFS?
> Is that similar to what you mean?


good question ... I don't know :\
I mean, I'm not sure what NFS is, so I can't tell.
I'd like something DropBox, accessible (with credentials
logins and possibility to share sub-storage with different
level of control, i.g. for non admin users just view and
download, for myself also to ADD and MODIFY files) from
remote, but with no storage on 3rd party servers, just on my
partition. In that case I'd keep the machine on power obviously.

Ah a detail I didn't give formerly : I have an ADSL
connection with dynamically assigned IP, thus the
clients/server should be able to manage some form of
IP-independent net communication

>> Obviously safe sw (not easily intruded), and able also to
>> sub-share parts of the cloud space with other users invited
>> or given some credentials.

> Sounds like NFS to me.


I'll try to discover what NFS is ...
thanks for the hint
Soviet_Mario (10-12-18, 11:37 AM)
On 11/10/18 21:57, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 10/11/18 8:56 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> I have been using NFS since 1990's and I have still not seen an invite
> system built into NFS :)


not sure I understood exactly, but if with "invite system"
you meant a way to share with unprivileged users, yes, then
NFS would not suit me : I need to share documents while
maintaining the exclusive privilege to upload (i mean sync,
not actually upload phisically, and modify)

> The OP is looking for nextCloud/ownCloud or similar solutions.


I'll try them or one of them soon.
Tnx
Soviet_Mario (10-12-18, 11:48 AM)
On 11/10/18 22:54, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-10-11, J.O. Aho <user> wrote:
> As with all Linux/Unix tools, you use many small tools to build a big
> system.


surely true, but a solution not very apt to unskilled person :\

> If you want to invite someone, you can always send them and
> email.


I'd like to share one single link in order for users without
password to be able to just download files (and reserving to
myself the ability to load contents and modify them).

> Besides it sounded to me like he really wanted this for his own
> use, not for distributing stuff to a huge crown of people.


I'd be halfway from both :)
I need to share, definitely, but with very small number of
users (some tens, at worst 100-200 people, and not
simultaneously)

> I guess the
> subtext was to try to find out what it was that he really wanted. It
> sounded like he had found a "solution" (cloud something or another) to
> an ill defined problem he had. Without a clear view of the problem,
> finding the best solution is hopeless.


I am currently using DropBox, and qualitatively it complies
with all my needs. The problem is just storage capacity,
which is low.
I have bulky data (recorded audio-video lessons) that I'd
like to share with intrested students, that cannot stay on
the 5 GB cloud (they are 60-80 GB of data, on some disks of
mine).
I'd like to share SAFELY part of my storage data
* keeping the machine powered on
* regardless of dynamically assigned IP (real-time syncing
more or less, but better than real-time, automatic
reconnection on IP change if line drops and the provider
reassign a different IP)
* controlling privileges of access on the DATA : myself =
total control, users who just have the shared link, only
download (no change on my storage allowed). I mean, I don't
need sort of GIT or google docs for many authors to modify
shared docs. Just read-only guests.

>> The OP is looking for nextCloud/ownCloud or similar solutions.

> O
> You know this how? Yes, he talks about "cloud" but that is not problem.


but It is my actual solution, and it's good except from
insufficient storage. That's why I'd like to directly share
part of my HDD's space. But SAFELY !!!

> It is a solution. I would like to know what problem it is he wants to
> solve first.


I tried to clarify the point. Share, in read only mode,
"huge" amount of data. And free of charge :)
I'm not s'posed to pay for keeping and sharing my data :)
Bit Twister (10-12-18, 11:48 AM)
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:35:32 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> Ah a detail I didn't give formerly : I have an ADSL
> connection with dynamically assigned IP, thus the
> clients/server should be able to manage some form of
> IP-independent net communication


Think about that for a minute. How would anyone wanting to connect to
your cloud know its ip address when the ip address changes?

Here put
How can I host a website on a dynamically-assigned IP address
in the Second box at


You might consider bookmarking the above url for later use. :)
Dan Purgert (10-12-18, 12:40 PM)
Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 11/10/18 22:54, William Unruh wrote:
>> [...]
>> As with all Linux/Unix tools, you use many small tools to build a big
>> system.

> surely true, but a solution not very apt to unskilled person :\


And setting up {own,next}cloud, and keeping up with security, and all
that jazz is?

I mean, don't get me wrong, it's probably a weekend or two's worth of
work, but not exactly hard.

>> If you want to invite someone, you can always send them and
>> email.

> I'd like to share one single link in order for users without
> password to be able to just download files (and reserving to
> myself the ability to load contents and modify them).


Just run static html then. Sure, it's not as "pretty", but if it's just
to "let the public grab files(tm)", you don't exactly need "pretty".

For example, my site () does exactly this. I can
also send direct links to things:


(here's hoping I didn't typo it :) )

Sure, changes to the content are slightly more involved than "point, and
drool", but ...

(1) put content in ${www_root}/path/to/thing
(2) update ${www_root}/index.html and add <a href="link_here">text</a>
to create the link on the homepage.

> [...]
> I am currently using DropBox, and qualitatively it complies
> with all my needs. The problem is just storage capacity,
> which is low.
> I have bulky data (recorded audio-video lessons) that I'd
> like to share with intrested students, that cannot stay on
> the 5 GB cloud (they are 60-80 GB of data, on some disks of
> mine).


Uh, sounds like you're looking for "youtube". I hear they're great for
sharing videos.

> I'd like to share SAFELY part of my storage data
> * keeping the machine powered on


UPS, or better yet a generator (note, will not save you from ISP losing
power though ;) )

> * regardless of dynamically assigned IP (real-time syncing
> more or less, but better than real-time, automatic
> reconnection on IP change if line drops and the provider
> reassign a different IP)


Dynamic DNS setup, with auto-updates. See providers such as dyndns.com,
no-ip.com, etc.

> * controlling privileges of access on the DATA : myself =
> total control, users who just have the shared link, only
> download (no change on my storage allowed). I mean, I don't
> need sort of GIT or google docs for many authors to modify
> shared docs. Just read-only guests.


Again, static html. Although that is slightly more of a pain for video
(but it's not exactly an 'unsolved problem').
Bit Twister (10-12-18, 12:46 PM)
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:48:13 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> I'd be halfway from both :)
> I need to share, definitely, but with very small number of
> users (some tens, at worst 100-200 people, and not
> simultaneously)


You might want to check your upload speed:

or
Soviet_Mario (10-12-18, 01:06 PM)
On 12/10/18 11:48, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:35:32 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> Think about that for a minute. How would anyone wanting to connect to
> your cloud know its ip address when the ip address changes?


I'm rather ignorant of networks and I tend to think in other
terms.

Let me give an example.

When using a "variable" in a program, normally I can access
it by physical address or by name.
Someone (a further layer) takes care of translating the
higher level name in a machine level pyisical address.

As I know nothing of networks, I assumed it could be
possible to access a website BY NAME, delegating some other
service to translate it. If it is possible.
Is it not ? Never ever ?
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