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Nomen Nescio (09-09-18, 12:32 AM)
Woops!

Your Name (09-09-18, 07:19 AM)
On 2018-09-08 22:32:40 +0000, Nomen Nescio said:
> Woops!
>


There's around 30 apps that "steal" data. In most, if not all, cases
it's probably so they can provide a better service for all users (by
keeping track of advert servers to block, for example), but of course
the scaredy-cat conspiracy-nutter Americans are all jumping up and down
in horror, and claiming the sky is falling, yet again. :-\
Wolf K (09-09-18, 05:26 PM)
On 2018-09-09 01:19, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-08 22:32:40 +0000, Nomen Nescio said:
> There's around 30 apps that "steal" data. In most, if not all, cases
> it's probably so they can provide a better service for all users (by
> keeping track of advert servers to block, for example), but of course
> the scaredy-cat conspiracy-nutter Americans are all jumping up and down
> in horror, and claiming the sky is falling, yet again.  :-\


"Better service" is satire, right?

Sending ads to a user is not a service.
Mr. Man-wai Chang (09-09-18, 05:54 PM)
On 9/9/2018 6:32 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Woops!
>


And Apple knew it all the time? ;)
Arlen Holder (09-09-18, 08:17 PM)
On 8 Sep 2018 22:19:33 GMT, Your Name wrote:

> There's around 30 apps that "steal" data. In most, if not all, cases
> it's probably so they can provide a better service for all users (by
> keeping track of advert servers to block, for example), but of course
> the scaredy-cat conspiracy-nutter Americans are all jumping up and down
> in horror, and claiming the sky is falling, yet again. :-\


*Facts don't fit into the Apple Apologists' imaginary belief system.*

It should be noted that Your Name is a well-known Apple Apologist.
That means he makes up excuse after excuse after excuse for Apple behavior.

I was the first one to report this (days ago) to the mac groups:
EnGadget: Popular Mac app steals users' history & sends it to China
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.apps/IYoKdcFnsGA>

In this case, yet again, Your Name gets the facts wrong.

The problem isn't what the app does.
The problem is that the app violate's Apple's own rules.

Those rules are what Apple Marketing touts to make customers *feel* safe!

Worse, the problem was reported to Apple more than a month ago!
And the app was still (at the time of my post) not revoked by Apple.

Since the primary reason people pay more for Apple products (IMHO),
is that they want Apple Marketing to make them *feel* safe, it was strange
that the referenced article that broke the news concluded, verbatim:
"Wardle points out the app is in violation of Apple's App Store Rules
& Guidelines. But though he notified Apple of the issue a month ago,
it's still available on the App Store, which is troubling to say
the least."

In summary, while the well-known Apple Apologist Your Name constantly makes
up childishly inane excuses for Apple behavior (as do all the Apple
Apologists), if the Apple consumer's primary concern is for Apple Marketing
to make them *feel* safe (even though they're not actually safe since the
weak links of all consumer computer operating systems is the same), then
Apple yet again failed their loyal customers by not revoking an app that
they *knew* violated their own guidelines.

I only speak fact.
*Such facts don't fit into the Apple Apologists' imaginary belief system.*
Snit (09-09-18, 08:50 PM)
On 9/9/18 11:17 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
[..]
> they *knew* violated their own guidelines.
> I only speak fact.
> *Such facts don't fit into the Apple Apologists' imaginary belief system.*


Good grief... you are using yet ANOTHER name to try to convince YOURSELF
you do not like Apple products. Your over-the-top protests suggest you
really DO like them.
anon (09-10-18, 10:26 PM)
on 9/9/2018, Snit supposed :
> On 9/9/18 11:17 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Good grief... you are using yet ANOTHER name to try to convince
> YOURSELF you do not like Apple products. Your over-the-top protests
> suggest you really DO like them.


I was considering switching to apple once. I had to look something
up on the web on a customer's apple computer. They had an apple hockey
puck mouse. After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never
considered getting an apple again. I still laugh every time I think of
it. Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed
out of Jap beer cans.
Snit (09-10-18, 10:34 PM)
On 9/10/18 1:26 PM, anon wrote:
> on 9/9/2018, Snit supposed :
> I was considering switching to apple once. I had to look something up
> on the web on a customer's apple computer. They had an apple hockey
> puck mouse. After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never
> considered getting an apple again. I still laugh every time I think of
> it. Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed out
> of Jap beer cans.


I like a lot of Apple's products, but NOT their mice. Have not in years.
Even the old mice I used to like I would not like now. I use a Logitech
MX 518... serves me much better.

If I were to judge Apple by their mice... the hockey puck monstrosities
or ANY of their newer ones... I would never want to touch another Apple
product.
nospam (09-10-18, 10:39 PM)
In article <pn6k24$ade$1>, anon <noreply>
wrote:

> I was considering switching to apple once. I had to look something
> up on the web on a customer's apple computer. They had an apple hockey
> puck mouse. After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I never
> considered getting an apple again. I still laugh every time I think of
> it. Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were pressed
> out of Jap beer cans.


use whatever mouse/trackball/trackpad you want, usb or bluetooth.
anon (09-10-18, 11:56 PM)
anon formulated the question :
> on 9/9/2018, Snit supposed :
> I was considering switching to apple once. I had to look something
> up on the web on a customer's apple computer. They had an apple
> hockey puck mouse. After seeing that absolute cheap piece of junk, I
> never considered getting an apple again. I still laugh every time I
> think of it. Reminded me of the 1950's toy cars from Japan that were
> pressed out of Jap beer cans.


What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and
workmanship of that mouse. Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in one
of their cars? It indicated to me a shoddy product. I couldn't
imagine what the insides of the computer was made of. Chinese
soldering like Radio Shack products?

It was a sign from God!
Snit (09-11-18, 02:34 AM)
On 9/10/18 1:39 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <pn6k24$ade>, anon <noreply>
> wrote:
> use whatever mouse/trackball/trackpad you want, usb or bluetooth.


Right... I use a Logitech MX 580 with USB Overdrive.

<https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY>

Can do more with it than anything I have seen on Linux.
Your Name (09-11-18, 03:34 AM)
On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
> anon formulated the question :
> What has kept me away from apple was the obvious poor design and
> workmanship of that mouse. Would Rolls Royce put a vinyl seat in one
> of their cars? It indicated to me a shoddy product. I couldn't
> imagine what the insides of the computer was made of. Chinese
> soldering like Radio Shack products?
> It was a sign from God!


There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other
than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was
"up", despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical,
visible button ... probably the same people who complain about USB
socket and cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy
to simply turn the plug over. :-\

There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The
silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier
idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off
on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a
nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking
you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).
Snit (09-11-18, 03:39 AM)
On 9/10/18 6:34 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other
> than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was "up",
> despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, visible
> button ... probably the same people who complain about USB socket and
> cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy to simply
> turn the plug over.  :-\


I think the puck mouse was absurd... it is not just about knowing which
way is "up", it is also about just grabbing it and it being natural. And
having cables you can put in either way is a better approach.

> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers. The
> silly "squeeze me" button on the later Apple mouse was a much sillier
> idea and a complete pain in the backside - I always switched that off on
> every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a
> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking you
> are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).


They have not made a decent mouse in a long, long time.
anon (09-11-18, 03:39 AM)
Your Name used his keyboard to write :
[..]
> on every Mac I set-up for people. Apple's Magic Mouse can also be a
> nuisance since you can't rest your fingers on it without it thinking
> you are making touch gestures (another "feature" to always turn off).


It was a plastic piece of junk!
Paul (09-11-18, 05:20 AM)
Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-10 21:56:04 +0000, anon said:
> There was nothing inherently wrong with the "puck" mouse as such, other
> than some people apparently being too stupid to know which way was "up",
> despite a cable coming out of the top of it and a physical, visible
> button ... probably the same people who complain about USB socket and
> cables only going in one way because they're too damn lazy to simply
> turn the plug over. :-\
> There have certainly been worse mice from Apple and other makers.


I can see where the idea for this thread came from :-)



Paul

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