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Your Name (06-28-19, 04:00 AM)
YIPPEE!!! Finally getting rid of the idiot who has been screwing up
Apple's software and making their devices more and more impossible to
upgrade / repair for the past 30 years. Maybe now we'll start to get
some actual sensible designs instead of just "looks great"
design-over-function ever-thinner silliness.

From BBC.com (among a bazillion other web news sites) ...

iPhone designer Jony Ive to leave Apple
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Sir Jony Ive, the Briton who over two decades helped turn Apple
into the world's most valuable company, is leaving to set up
his own venture.

Sir Jonathan, designer of the iMac, iPod and iPhone, leaves
later this year to start a creative firm, LoveFrom, with Apple
as its first client.

"This just seems like a natural and gentle time to make this
change," he said.

Apple boss Tim Cook said his "role in Apple's revival cannot be
overstated".

But the departure comes at a time of wider change at the tech
giant. Retail chief Angela Ahrendts left in April and investors
have been worried about falling iPhone sales.

Sir Jonathan said in a statement: "After nearly 30 years and
countless projects, I am most proud of the lasting work we have
done to create a design team, process and culture at Apple that
is without peer."

Little is known about LoveFrom, but it will be based in
California and there are reports one area of focus will be
wearable technology. News of his departure broke in an exclusive
interview in the Financial Times.

In the article Sir Jonathan said Marc Newson, a friend and
collaborator at Apple, would also join the new firm. There would
also be "a collection of creatives" spanning several different
disciplines beyond design, he said.

He became head of Apple's design studio in 1996, when the company
was in poor financial health and cutting jobs. The turnaround
began with Sir Jonathan's iMac in 1998, and the iPod in 2001.
Other landmarks of industrial design followed, including:
2004 - iPod Mini
2007 - iPhone
2008 - MacBook Air
2010 - iPad
2015 - Apple Watch
2016 - AirPods

Apple's founder, the late Steve Jobs, once said of Sir Jonathan:
"If I had a spiritual partner at Apple, it's Jony."

One of Sir Jonathan's most recent projects was finishing Apple's
new corporate headquarters, Apple Park, an ultra-modern complex
designed in partnership with British architects Foster + Partners.

Ben Bajarin, analyst with Creative Strategies, said: "It's the
most significant departure of somebody who was a core part of the
growth story" under Mr Jobs.

Sir Jonathan, knighted by the Queen in 2012, will not have an
immediate successor. Since 2012, he has overseen design for both
hardware and software at Apple, roles that had previously been
separate.

Apple said on Thursday the roles would again be split, with design
team leaders Evans Hankey taking over as vice president of
industrial design and Alan Dye becoming vice president of human
interface design.

Steve Jobs and Jony Ive, the Lennon and McCartney of Apple - it's
impossible to see the company becoming what it is today without
the most creative partnership in recent business history.

Ive was a relatively junior figure when Jobs returned from exile
to revive Apple. He picked out the British designer as a kindred
spirit who shared his obsession with the idea that the look and
feel of a product was as important as the technology inside it.

Their first hit was the iMac, breaking away from the beige boxes
that dominated the PC market to show that computers could be
beautiful design objects.

The iPod, the iPhone and the iPad followed, each setting new
standards in product design which rivals rushed to imitate.

After the death of Steve Jobs, there was speculation that Jony Ive
might one day move into the chief executive's office. That always
seemed unlikely - instead he remained the firm's design guru, the
often parodied voice of those iconic Apple product videos while
Tim Cook drove the mighty profit machine ever onwards.

In recent years, it has been harder to detect the Ive magic -
while the Airpods look set to become another classic, the $999
stand for a Mac Pro monitor stand seemed to symbolise a company
taking its fans for granted.

But the man who started his career by designing toilets and
toothbrushes and ended up giving us the most profitable product in
history, the iPhone, is assured of his place in history.

<https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48795057>
Jolly Roger (06-28-19, 04:08 AM)
On 2019-06-28, Your Name <YourName> wrote:
> YIPPEE!!! Finally getting rid of the idiot who has been screwing up
> Apple's software and making their devices more and more impossible to
> upgrade / repair for the past 30 years.


Dip shits who think all of Apple's design decisions are made by one
single person rejoice. News at 10.

Apple will be a primary client of Ive's new design company. Joke's on
you, dip shits.
Your Name (06-28-19, 06:52 AM)
On 2019-06-28 02:00:50 +0000, Your Name said:

[..]
> Sir Jony Ive, the Briton who over two decades helped turn Apple
> into the world's most valuable company, is leaving to set up
> his own venture. <snip>


Oh no!! The hopeless cretin will actually still be designing for Apple,
just under his own company ... which no doubt means he will charge 5000
times more for doing the same useless work! :-(

From MacRumors.com ...

Apple's longtime head of design, Jony Ive, is leaving the
company to start his own design firm, Apple announced today.
Though Ive is leaving, Apple will be one of Ive's "primary
clients," which means Ive will continue to do design work
for the Cupertino company.

In a statement, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that he is looking
forward to working with Ive "long into the future."

<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/27/jony-ive-leaving-apple/>
Jim_Higgins (06-28-19, 02:56 PM)
On 6/28/19 12:52 AM, Your Name wrote:
[..]
Jolly Roger (06-28-19, 03:32 PM)
Your Name <YourName> wrote:
> On 2019-06-28 02:00:50 +0000, Your Name said:
>> YIPPEE!!!
>> iPhone designer Jony Ive to leave Apple

> Oh no!! The hopeless cretin will actually still be designing for Apple,
> just under his own company


You’re a fucking idiot.
Christian (06-28-19, 05:23 PM)
Your Name <YourName> wrote:

> YIPPEE!!! Finally getting rid of the idiot who has been screwing up
> Apple's software and making their devices more and more impossible to
> upgrade / repair for the past 30 years. Maybe now we'll start to get
> some actual sensible designs instead of just "looks great"
> design-over-function ever-thinner silliness.


So, in future, Apple's products will no longer be unrepairable - they
will be unrepairable and ugly.

Well, then...
Jolly Roger (06-28-19, 07:40 PM)
On 2019-06-28, Christian <christian180801> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName> wrote:
> So, in future, Apple's products will no longer be unrepairable - they
> will be unrepairable and ugly.
> Well, then...


If you think one single person is responsible for the design of Apple's
products, you are just showing the world how little you actually know
about how Apple designs products.

I've repaired all of my Apple products myself for decades. The primary
thing that makes repair harder as time goes on is miniaturization. And
there's nothing nefarious about that. People bitching about
"unrepairability" are idiots.
Alan Browne (06-28-19, 08:40 PM)
On 2019-06-27 22:00, Your Name wrote:
> YIPPEE!!! Finally getting rid


Not quite. Apple will be using his new co. But hopefully they get away
from the obsession with thin for the sake only of thin.
Alan Browne (06-28-19, 08:41 PM)
On 2019-06-28 13:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2019-06-28, Christian <christian180801> wrote:
> If you think one single person is responsible for the design of Apple's
> products, you are just showing the world how little you actually know
> about how Apple designs products.
> I've repaired all of my Apple products myself for decades. The primary
> thing that makes repair harder as time goes on is miniaturization. And
> there's nothing nefarious about that. People bitching about
> "unrepairability" are idiots.


People believing products should emphasize design over repair are worse.
Jolly Roger (06-28-19, 08:59 PM)
On 2019-06-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket> wrote:
> On 2019-06-28 13:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> People believing products should emphasize design over repair are worse.


People who refuse to consider or acknowledge that overall product design
has more than one goal of which repairability is only one and not even
the most important, or that there are clear benefits to miniaturization
that are at natural odds with how easy it is for a person to repair a
device are idiots.
Lewis (06-28-19, 09:08 PM)
In message <D_GdnbU0-4OdwovAnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d> Alan Browne <bitbucket> wrote:
> On 2019-06-27 22:00, Your Name wrote:
>> YIPPEE!!! Finally getting rid


> Not quite. Apple will be using his new co. But hopefully they get away
> from the obsession with thin for the sake only of thin.


Yeah, everyone hates that and sales continue to decline. People are
constantly complaining about how think their laptops and phones are.

Oh wait, no they are not.

there is a reason the products are thin, because people like that.

I was going through a drawer a few days ago and came across the old
iPhone 4 that I used off an on as a home camera and I once again
surprised and just how chunky it was compared to my XR, not to mention
tiny.
André G. Isaak (06-28-19, 09:14 PM)
On 2019-06-28 1:08 p.m., Lewis wrote:
> In message <D_GdnbU0-4OdwovAnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d> Alan Browne <bitbucket> wrote:
> Yeah, everyone hates that and sales continue to decline. People are
> constantly complaining about how think their laptops and phones are.
> Oh wait, no they are not.
> there is a reason the products are thin, because people like that.


There's arguably a reason why people might prefer thin phones and
laptops, but I fail to see why maximal thinness is a virtue in an iMac.
I'd gladly trade an extra few inches (or more) for the ability to easily
open the case.

André
Calum (06-28-19, 09:17 PM)
On 28/06/2019 03:08, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Apple will be a primary client of Ive's new design company. Joke's on
> you, dip shits.


Maybe, in the short term. I wouldn't bet on it being lasting that long,
though... most folk I've worked with who've left companies and been
hired back as consultants for a while haven't usually done so for very
long. They usually had more interesting things they wanted to be doing,
hence why they left in the first place, and Sir J. has been pulling back
for a while as it is.
Jolly Roger (06-28-19, 09:33 PM)
On 2019-06-28, André G Isaak <agisaak> wrote:
> On 2019-06-28 1:08 p.m., Lewis wrote:
> There's arguably a reason why people might prefer thin phones and
> laptops, but I fail to see why maximal thinness is a virtue in an
> iMac.


It looks better. Compare them side by side, especially viewing them at
an angle, and any rational adult can see that older models are thick as
fuck in comparison, making them appear downright bulky.

> I'd gladly trade an extra few inches (or more) for the ability to
> easily open the case.


Same here. But I'm betting most Mac users won't open them up at all. So
our opinion on the matter is drowned out by the majority.
Jolly Roger (06-28-19, 09:34 PM)
On 2019-06-28, Calum <com.gmail> wrote:
> On 28/06/2019 03:08, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Maybe, in the short term. I wouldn't bet on it being lasting that long,
> though... most folk I've worked with who've left companies and been
> hired back as consultants for a while haven't usually done so for very
> long. They usually had more interesting things they wanted to be doing,
> hence why they left in the first place, and Sir J. has been pulling back
> for a while as it is.


I don't give a shit either way. It's not like he's the only person in
the company working on product designs anyway. He's in a director role.
Many more people have their fingers in the pie below him.

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