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Stephen Hoffman (11-07-18, 07:31 PM)
Much of the OpenVMS web site and the OpenVMS documentation at HPE is
now distilled down into a single PDF as its front-end, and it's
incomplete, and with the PDF contents unsearchable with how it's been
rendered in a web frame.



Top hit for HPE OpenVMS is pretty thin, and with dead links:


What I was looking for has apparently been vaporized, the hardware
version support chart:


Archive what you need folks, when and where you can still find it. If
you can find it.
Simon Clubley (11-07-18, 08:19 PM)
On 2018-11-07, Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh> wrote:
> Much of the OpenVMS web site and the OpenVMS documentation at HPE is
> now distilled down into a single PDF as its front-end, and it's
> incomplete, and with the PDF contents unsearchable with how it's been
> rendered in a web frame.


So long and thanks for all the fish.

On the plus side, at least the ODL link posted recently still works:



> Top hit for HPE OpenVMS is pretty thin, and with dead links:
>


That document is a bit out of date:

|A full shared everything cluster design that has been in existence for more
|than 20 years, OpenVMS Cluster software allows for the maximum in
^^^^^^^^
|expandability, scalability, and availability for mission-critical applications.

Simon.
Simon Clubley (11-07-18, 11:48 PM)
On 2018-11-07, Simon Clubley <clubley> wrote:
> On 2018-11-07, Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh> wrote:
> So long and thanks for all the fish.
> On the plus side, at least the ODL link posted recently still works:
>


One more thought.

It's clear that VSI have more urgent things to do than setup a full
online documentation system, but given the latest developments at HPE
that Stephen mentions, does anyone else think it would be a very good
idea for VSI to at least dump the ODL zip archives at the above link
on a VSI web page somewhere so they don't suddenly get lost ?

That should be a lot easier to setup than posting individual manuals
online in PDF and HTML form along with associated search tools.

Simon.
Craig A. Berry (11-08-18, 03:09 AM)
On 11/7/18 11:31 AM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:

> the PDF contents unsearchable with how it's been rendered in a
> web frame.
>


You probably knew this, but you can download the PDF. In Safari, hover
near the bottom middle of the screen and some controls, including zoom
and download, will appear. In FireFox and Chrome, there is a down arrow
icon in the upper right corner next to the printer icon. Obviously
that's awkward to download before searching, but it does work.
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-08-18, 11:39 AM)
Den 2018-11-08 kl. 02:09, skrev Craig A. Berry:
> On 11/7/18 11:31 AM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> You probably knew this, but you can download the PDF. In Safari, hover
> near the bottom middle of the screen and some controls, including zoom
> and download, will appear. In FireFox and Chrome, there is a down arrow
> icon in the upper right corner next to the printer icon. Obviously
> that's awkward to download before searching, but it does work.


I only get a simple "Provide feedback" page with no obviouse PDF file.

By looking at the "view page source", I found this link:



and that directly started a PDF doenload of:
"Download_emr_na-a00058693en_us-2.pdf" file.

Now, tested one of the PDF links in that document (I/O user ref):



It doesn't work as-is, but if I change "display?" to "pdfDisplay?" and
add "&locale=en_US" at the end of the URL like:



That is, the same differences as between the link to the PDF posted here
and the link in the "view page source".

Now I got a download of "Download_emr_na-c04622349-1.pdf" which is
the "HP OpenVMS I/O User’s Reference Manual OpenVMS Version 8.4".

I havn't tried more links, but one could save the PDF as a text file
and change all links in the same way, then use it as input for some
tool to download the files.

Jan-Erik.
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-08-18, 01:20 PM)
Den 2018-11-08 kl. 10:39, skrev Jan-Erik Söderholm:
[..]
> and change all links in the same way, then use it as input for some
> tool to download the files.
> Jan-Erik.


Right, I now have a copy of the HPE PDF file where the links
actually works. Havn't tried all 7-800 links, but those that
I have tried worked. I do not have any place to publish this,
but I'd be happy to mail it some someone that have (1.2 MB).

Just send me a mail to:

jan dash erik dot soderholm at telia dot com.

and I'll return the PDF file.

(The same as this was posted from anyway...)

Was done by:

- Opening the PDF in Word2016 and saving as an HTM file.
- Opening the HTM file in UltraEdit32 and updating the links.
- Opening the updated HTM file in Word2016 again and "save as PDF".

Regards, Jan-Erik.
Mark Berryman (11-08-18, 07:03 PM)
I have all of the VMS distribution and documentation CDs going back to
at least V7.0. I'll be happy to put online any of this documentation
that anyone needs.

Mark Berryman
Stephen Hoffman (11-08-18, 08:14 PM)
On 2018-11-08 09:39:43 +0000, Jan-Erik Söderholm said:

> I only get a simple "Provide feedback" page with no obviouse PDF file.


Browser: The PDF is the filling inside the "Rate This Content" drivel.
Not in a position to discuss the sequence you've used to acquire the
PDF, but maybe try a recent Firefox, presumably on Microsoft Windows?
At least with Firefox Quantum 63.0.1 64-bit on recent macOS, the PDF is
rendered in a frame inside the frame containing the "Rate This Content"
drivel, and clicking on the download in the upper right corner of the
PDF frame?right under the "Rate This Content" drivel?will get the
document. There's a search tool in the Firefox frame that renders the
PDF, as well. Or maybe whatever HPE is doing within that "Rate This
Content" frame is providing that frame in Firefox and not in Safari, I
haven't checked that. Donno. It's a minor annoyance, but Safari can
download the PDF directly into the macOS Preview tool?Mark was
describing a variation of the sequence I've been using?and can search
it there. (This was much more annoying back when I realized that the
framing drivel was blocking the search tool, and I had to re-search a
plethora of web pages for the target.)

HPE OpenVMS Content: Irrespective of how the content is accessed,
download what y'all might want or need from HPE Real Soon Now, as it's
certainly looking like we're headed quickly toward the proverbial last
call of OpenVMS at HPE. And what's not gone may well soon be behind
the HPE support paywall, as seemingly an increasing number of links now
land at the support portal login web page, and not the content.
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-09-18, 01:14 AM)
Den 2018-11-08 kl. 19:14, skrev Stephen Hoffman:
> On 2018-11-08 09:39:43 +0000, Jan-Erik Söderholm said:
>> I only get a simple "Provide feedback" page with no obviouse PDF file.

> Browser: The PDF is the filling inside the "Rate This Content" drivel. Not
> in a position to discuss the sequence you've used to acquire the PDF, but
> maybe try a recent Firefox, presumably on Microsoft Windows? At least with
> Firefox Quantum 63.0.1 64-bit on recent macOS,


Using Firefox Quantum 63.0.1 on Windows 10.

Using:
[..]
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-09-18, 01:29 AM)
Den 2018-11-08 kl. 19:14, skrev Stephen Hoffman:
> On 2018-11-08 09:39:43 +0000, Jan-Erik Söderholm said:
>> I only get a simple "Provide feedback" page with no obviouse PDF file.

> Browser: The PDF is the filling inside the "Rate This Content" drivel. Not
> in a position to discuss the sequence you've used to acquire the PDF, but
> maybe try a recent Firefox, presumably on Microsoft Windows? At least with
> Firefox Quantum 63.0.1 64-bit on recent macOS,...


Using Firefox Quantum 63.0.1 64-bit on Win10 here.



just gives a "Provide feedback" page with an "Rate this content" link
in the upper right corner. That last link goes to the same page with
a #bottom anchor added the the URL. And that is just the same
"Provide Feedback" part of the same page. No PDF to be seen.

Anyway...

I did get that PDF downloaded by using the URL that is in the page source,
but that PDF does not have any working links. That is fixed in the version
I have. I'll try to attach the adjusted PDF in a separate post...
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-09-18, 01:35 AM)
Den 2018-11-09 kl. 00:29, skrev Jan-Erik Söderholm:

> I'll try to attach the adjusted PDF in a separate post...

Didn't work due to size limits at the NNTP server I'm using,
"eternal-september". The PDF is 1.2 MB and ZIP'ed 0.8 MB.

Jan-Erik.
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-09-18, 12:40 PM)
Den 2018-11-09 kl. 00:29, skrev Jan-Erik Söderholm:
[..]
> source, but that PDF does not have any working links. That is fixed in
> the version I have. I'll try to attach the adjusted PDF in a separate
> post...


Note, it was only the PDF links that was broken in the HPE PDF file.
The freeware links was OK. They both works in my version (that now
have been mailed to a guy who would provide it for download).

Jan-Erik.
David Wade (11-09-18, 12:57 PM)
On 08/11/2018 23:35, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2018-11-09 kl. 00:29, skrev Jan-Erik Söderholm:
>> I'll try to attach the adjusted PDF in a separate post...

> Didn't work due to size limits at the NNTP server I'm using,
> "eternal-september". The PDF is 1.2 MB and ZIP'ed 0.8 MB.
> Jan-Erik. What a horrid page that is. I put a copy of the index here:-




but it may not be much use as the links in it use the same ghastly mess
of script to wrap around the URL's as the original link. You may need to
enable viewing of PDF files within the browser to get them to work.

Dave
Jan-Erik Söderholm (11-09-18, 01:17 PM)
Den 2018-11-09 kl. 11:57, skrev David Wade:
> On 08/11/2018 23:35, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> What a horrid page that is. I put a copy of the index here:-
>
> but it may not be much use as the links in it use the same ghastly mess
> of script to wrap around the URL's as the original link. You may need to
> enable viewing of PDF files within the browser to get them to work.
> Dave


Note that the links in that PDF (both if read online and if downloaded)
are still broken. The "freeware" links does work, though...

I have sent my corrected version to some one that would put it
on line...

Jan-Erik.
Thomas Laus (11-09-18, 02:41 PM)
On 2018-11-08, Jan-Erik S?derholm <jan-erik.soderholm> wrote:
> Den 2018-11-08 kl. 19:14, skrev Stephen Hoffman:
> Using Firefox Quantum 63.0.1 64-bit on Win10 here.
>
> just gives a "Provide feedback" page with an "Rate this content" link
> in the upper right corner. That last link goes to the same page with
> a #bottom anchor added the the URL. And that is just the same
> "Provide Feedback" part of the same page. No PDF to be seen.

That link worked for me after removing the 's' from the https URL. The
HPE site replaced that 's' and rendered a usable page that had all of
the random links that I selected function. I am using Firefox 63.0.1 on a
FreeBSD OS running on my laptop. There were some flashes of text between
the selection and rendering that was too quick to read. All the documents
did display, however, in the Firefox PDF viewer correctly.

Tom

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