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root (11-19-18, 05:47 PM)
After a while the tray fails to open on all cd/dvd drives
I have. It is a nuisance to find a paper clip to open
the drive.

Do slot drives have any similar shortcoming?
Thanks.
jjge (11-19-18, 08:39 PM)
On 11/19/18 4:47 PM, root wrote:
> After a while the tray fails to open on all cd/dvd drives
> I have. It is a nuisance to find a paper clip to open
> the drive.
> Do slot drives have any similar shortcoming?
> Thanks.


Interesting. I had the same problem for a long time. Now it seems to
have vanished (although that may also be because I am using CDs less
often nowadays).
Anyway, I share your problem, and I am just as interested in any answer.
Peter Chant (11-19-18, 09:56 PM)
On 11/19/18 6:39 PM, jjge wrote:
> On 11/19/18 4:47 PM, root wrote:
> Interesting. I had the same problem for a long time. Now it seems to
> have vanished (although that may also be because I am using CDs less
> often nowadays).
> Anyway, I share your problem, and I am just as interested in any answer.


I have the opposite problem on my laptop. The empty tray opens
commanded fairly frequently. Desktop no issue.

Pete
Eli the Bearded (11-20-18, 12:01 AM)
In alt.os.linux.slackware, root <NoEMail> wrote:
> After a while the tray fails to open on all cd/dvd drives
> I have. It is a nuisance to find a paper clip to open
> the drive.


Can't say this has been an issue for me. Maybe you want one of those old
caddy drives that have a push-button to eject the caddy. (But I can't
remember the last time I saw one.)

Of course, I generally make "obsolescence" jokes about those shiny
disks. (Although I still do purchase them, particularly for movies.)

Elijah
------
once had a hinged top "Sony Discman" style CD drive
Henrik Carlqvist (11-20-18, 09:09 AM)
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:47:44 +0000, root wrote:
> After a while the tray fails to open on all cd/dvd drives I have. It is
> a nuisance to find a paper clip to open the drive.


Are you sure that the disc is not mounted (you can check with df)? The
kernel will do its best to refuse to let you remove a disc that is
mounted.

regards Henrik
Jimmy Johnson (11-20-18, 09:46 AM)
On 11/19/18 7:47 AM, root wrote:
> After a while the tray fails to open on all cd/dvd drives
> I have. It is a nuisance to find a paper clip to open
> the drive.
> Do slot drives have any similar shortcoming?
> Thanks.


Using kde4 you can eject a disk from the tray's Device icon. Also you
can load and eject from k3b.
notbob (11-20-18, 03:07 PM)
On 11/19/2018 8:47 AM, root wrote:
> After a while the tray fails to open on all cd/dvd drives
> I have. It is a nuisance to find a paper clip to open
> the drive.


It's a common problem. It's caused by a small o-ring becoming too
stretched and loose. I've tossed a perfectly good external drive due to
this exact problem. There are Youtube videos that explain the problem
and provide possible remedies.

My newer W10 box (HP) has a pop out CD/DVD player. It jes "pops" out,
like it's spring loaded. It's also vertical. The tray jes pops out and
I gotta manually push it back in.

> Do slot drives have any similar shortcoming?


What is a "slot" drive? Is the above --in my W10 box-- a "slot" drive?

nb
root (11-20-18, 05:25 PM)
Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:47:44 +0000, root wrote:
> Are you sure that the disc is not mounted (you can check with df)? The
> kernel will do its best to refuse to let you remove a disc that is
> mounted.
> regards Henrik


My problem comes when I want to put a disk into an empty tray.
Neither the button on the drive nor the eject command will
open the tray. I have to put a paper clip into the hole
and push the drive open to insert a disk.
root (11-20-18, 05:27 PM)
Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer> wrote:
> On 11/19/18 7:47 AM, root wrote:
> Using kde4 you can eject a disk from the tray's Device icon. Also you
> can load and eject from k3b.


An affected drive just makes a noise in response to the eject command.
I was hoping no such problem affected slot drives.
Jimmy Johnson (11-20-18, 07:17 PM)
On 11/20/2018 05:07 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 11/19/2018 8:47 AM, root wrote:
> It's a common problem.  It's caused by a small o-ring becoming too
> stretched and loose.  I've tossed a perfectly good external drive due to
> this exact problem.  There are Youtube videos that explain the problem
> and provide possible remedies.
> My newer W10 box (HP) has a pop out CD/DVD player.  It jes "pops" out,
> like it's spring loaded.  It's also vertical.  The tray jes pops out and
> I gotta manually push it back in.


Is that SATA or IDE?

>> Do slot drives have any similar shortcoming?

> What is a "slot" drive?  Is the above --in my W10 box-- a "slot" drive?


Do you push the disc into a slot or put it on a tray?
Henrik Carlqvist (11-21-18, 08:55 AM)
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:25:55 +0000, root wrote:
> My problem comes when I want to put a disk into an empty tray.
> Neither the button on the drive nor the eject command will open the
> tray. I have to put a paper clip into the hole and push the drive open
> to insert a disk.


Does the eject command indicate some kind of error?

The first most obvious place to look for such errors would be if any
error message is written from eject in the terminal.

Another way for eject to tell that something went wrong is to examine the
return value from eject. If this is something else than 0 it usually
means that something went wrong. The returnvalue of the previous command
is in the $? variable, example:

eject
echo $?

A third place to look for errors is in the output from dmesg.

regards Henrik
jjge (11-21-18, 09:36 AM)
On 11/21/18 7:55 AM, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
[..]
> echo $?
> A third place to look for errors is in the output from dmesg.
> regards Henrik


In my recollection, there never was an error message or indication. And
the drive made sounds as if it was trying to open-- it just did not
move. It looked as if it was stuck. So I had a paperclip at hand (did
not have to look for it).
Chris Elvidge (11-21-18, 02:54 PM)
On 21/11/2018 07:36, jjge wrote:
> On 11/21/18 7:55 AM, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
> In my recollection, there never was an error message or indication. And
> the drive made sounds as if it was trying to open-- it just did not
> move. It looked as if it was stuck. So I had a paperclip at hand (did
> not have to look for it).


I had one of these. Turned out the clamping ring was sticking to the
drive tray and stopping the eject. Cheaper to replace it rather than
dismantle and try to fix.
root (11-21-18, 05:29 PM)
Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist> wrote:
> Does the eject command indicate some kind of error?
> eject
> echo $?
> A third place to look for errors is in the output from dmesg.
> regards Henrik


eject returns 0 and there is no entry in dmesg.

The system thinks the tray opens. It tries to open
but it is a mechanical failure.
root (11-21-18, 05:31 PM)
Chris Elvidge <chris> wrote:
> I had one of these. Turned out the clamping ring was sticking to the
> drive tray and stopping the eject. Cheaper to replace it rather than
> dismantle and try to fix.


Replacement is where I am: that is why I am considering a slot
drive. So far, no one has claimed any experience with
slot drives.

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