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Robert H. Hedges (10-14-03, 02:51 PM)
I have 2 Macs w/ OS 8.1. I plugged my crossover cable to network them and
cannot find the browser window which I read requires an control panel
named "network something" .
Two how-to-books so far haven't gotten me hooked up, and this is just the
first step in my planning mac to pc with PC/MacLan software. I can't move
files with scsi drives plugged in the PC (in Mac format) so I gotta use a
LAN and a "scratch folder".
Any site to read from known ??
Ron Parsons (10-14-03, 03:34 PM)
In article <bmgrge$hqg$1>,
" Robert H. Hedges" <rhhedg01> wrote:

>I have 2 Macs w/ OS 8.1. I plugged my crossover cable to network them and
>cannot find the browser window which I read requires an control panel
>named "network something" .
>Two how-to-books so far haven't gotten me hooked up, and this is just the
>first step in my planning mac to pc with PC/MacLan software. I can't move
>files with scsi drives plugged in the PC (in Mac format) so I gotta use a
>LAN and a "scratch folder".
>Any site to read from known ??


Go to the AppleTalk control panel on both machines. Once both are there,
you will see the option to switch AppleTalk to EtherNet. Do that for
both Macs. You will also need to set up sharing in the Sharing control
panels.
Joe Davison (10-15-03, 03:08 PM)
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Ron Parsons wrote:
> In article <bmgrge$hqg>,
> " Robert H. Hedges" <rhhedg01> wrote:
> Go to the AppleTalk control panel on both machines. Once both are
> there, you will see the option to switch AppleTalk to EtherNet. Do
> that for both Macs. You will also need to set up sharing in the
> Sharing control panels.


Probably also need to turn on Appletalk in the Chooser, after doing the
other things.

joe
Ron Parsons (10-16-03, 01:38 AM)
In article <m2y8vmfxvr.fsf>,
Joe Davison <haltingNOSPAM> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Ron Parsons wrote:
>Probably also need to turn on Appletalk in the Chooser, after doing the
>other things.


You can tell I've been away from 7/8/9 for a while.
Robert H. Hedges (10-16-03, 03:26 AM)
First series of actions: Appletalk to Ethertalk. check. Fill-in names
for machines - can't find the "browser" to move files.
Then must turn Appletalk off constantly for video capture. I seems to try
but no mount from machine to machine.
Then I get " open transport" needed for appletalk - so I make sure all
such extensions are loading.
Now I get "an error occurred attenpting to use eithernet - make sure your
network connections are correct"

I have two books and neither is clear enough.

Chooser maybe ? OK I'll try.

Thanks RH

Ron Parsons <jrp59> wrote:
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Christopher Masi (10-16-03, 04:40 AM)
In article <bmks4t$1mv1$1>,
" Robert H. Hedges" <rhhedg01> wrote:

> First series of actions: Appletalk to Ethertalk. check. Fill-in names
> for machines - can't find the "browser" to move files.


Fill in names for machines? I dont know what you mean. Fill in names
where? Macs don't use a "browser" to move files. One EtherTalk is
activated and filesharing is enabled, you use the Chooser (in the Apple
menu) to connect to another computer. Once connected, the remote drive
appears as a hard drive on the desktop.

> Then must turn Appletalk off constantly for video capture. I seems to try
> but no mount from machine to machine.


Why must you turn of AppleTalk? Improve performance, or video capture
just won't run?

> Then I get " open transport" needed for appletalk - so I make sure all
> such extensions are loading.
> Now I get "an error occurred attenpting to use eithernet - make sure your
> network connections are correct"


This comment make me think that you may be facing the chicken and the
egg syndrom. Some older Macs (like the first generation Nubus Power Macs
such as a 6100) will not switch to ethernet unless the Mac senses an
active ethernet network. The dance goes like this...
1. two nubus macs are connected with a crossover cable.
2. Mac 1 is switched to AppleTalk via Ethernet via the AppleTalk control
panel.
3. Mac 1 looks out over the ethernet port for any Ethernet activity and
see none.
4. Mac 1 reverts to LocalTalk
5. Mac 2 is switched to AppleTalk via Ethernet (aka EtherTalk) via the
control panel and does exactly what Mac 1 did.
6. Repeat ad nauseam

Easiest way to solve this problem... Buy a four port hub.
1. Two Macs are connected to a 4 port hub via staight through patch
cables.
2. Mac 1 is switched to AppleTalk via Ethernet using the AppleTalk
control panel.
3. Mac 1 looks out over the ethernet port for any Ethernet activity and
see a hub.
4. Mac 1 accepts the change and allows the user to close the control
panel and save the new settings.
5. Repeat with Mac 2
6. Configure sharing via the Sharing or is it File Sharing control panel
7. Use the Chooser (in the Apple Menu) to connect and mount drives.
8. Share files.

I vaguely remember someone saying that if both Macs are switched to
EtherTalk simultaneously, they will see each other and accept the
change. I don't know if that actually works, but I bet it wouldn't be
fun to do, especially if the machines are not next to each other.

Also, I dont think you have to go to the chooser to activate AppleTalk.
I think that the AppleTalk control panel will ask you if you want to
make AppleTalk active (if it isn't already) when you close (or was it
open) the control panel.

I hope that helps

Chris
[..]
Ron Parsons (10-17-03, 05:01 PM)
In article <cjmasi-C21B5A.22405315102003>,
Christopher Masi <cjmasi> wrote:

[..]
>5. Mac 2 is switched to AppleTalk via Ethernet (aka EtherTalk) via the
>control panel and does exactly what Mac 1 did.
>6. Repeat ad nauseam


The cure for this is to just open the AppleTalk control panel on one,
but do nothing. When the other machine then looks for ethernet, it will
see something and turn on, then so will the first machine.
Robert H. Hedges (10-17-03, 08:29 PM)
I gonna try it all. I appreciate it.

Here is where we are now. I don't want a hub (if I can avoid it). The
crossover cable is supposed to do it. The important thing is the mac to
pc connect, for which I practice.
The P4 PC tower, 7300/200 & 7500/180 are all on the same computer desk.
Video capture requires all resources. Even QuickKeys won't operate with
Premiere on. 100% frame capture is the goal on each Mac when it's doing
that task, and Premiere messages to turn off appletalk.
One how-to book says to use a small folder for the file sharing, and teh
resources used and speed reduction of the mac network is reduced
substantially. I am gonna do that instead of looking at 9GB HDs over a
appletalk network.

I tried chooser. It made no diff yet.
I got an error message that open transport was not loaded. I loaded it.
No progress. Appletalk refused to save as on. The ssytem is stuck with the
appletalk control panel screen and won't save, go away, quit, or gimme my
machine back. I reboot with a forced unplug. I got out a archival system
disc of 8.1 and loaded all the relevant
extensions and control panels. This took a few boots because dispite the
refusal of Appletalk control panel to save as "on" the open transport
appletalk extensions were "in use" and could not be replaced.
After reload, Mac 1 Appletalk control panel in the menu
configuration> save> allows only import, done and cancel. but it saves as
on, all control panels appear, and seem ready to work. Both machines are
side by side with both Appletalk control panels on the respective screens.
(dual independent monitors, one shared w/ the PC)
The other Mac 2, "saves" as appletalk on after reload of all ext/control
panels but?????? -50 error stops access to Users and Groups, & File
Sharing & Configuration in the Appletalk menu.

I'm printing your suggestions and I'll try them.

Thanks RH

Ron Parsons <jrp59> wrote:
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Johan W. Elzenga (10-18-03, 12:10 PM)
Robert H. Hedges <rhhedg01> wrote:

> Here is where we are now. I don't want a hub (if I can avoid it).


I don't see any reason why. Hubs are cheap and a hub will solve all your
problems. You prefer hours of hassle over spending a few bucks?
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