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Jim_Higgins (11-28-19, 03:12 PM)
"...At the same time, Apple is undergoing a metamorphosis, from a
company that sells electronics to one that offers services that run on
those devices. Sparked in part by declining iPhone sales, the change
also makes data an increasingly important part of Apple’s own business.
That is especially true for products such as Siri, Apple’s competitor to
Amazon’s Alexa and Google’s Assistant. Those services use artificial
intelligence, which improves as the amount of data it receives increases..."

Apple update for user privacy fuels questions and criticism
nospam (11-28-19, 03:22 PM)
In article <qroh3f$2h3$1>, Jim_Higgins
<gordian240> wrote:

> "...At the same time, Apple is undergoing a metamorphosis, from a
> company that sells electronics to one that offers services that run on
> those devices. Sparked in part by declining iPhone sales, the change
> also makes data an increasingly important part of Apples own business.


services is not 'sparked by declining iphone sales', which aren't
really declining.

> That is especially true for products such as Siri, Apples competitor to
> Amazons Alexa and Googles Assistant. Those services use artificial
> intelligence, which improves as the amount of data it receives increases..."


except that unlike the others, siri goes well out of its way to
anonymize any data.
sms (12-04-19, 12:29 AM)
On 11/28/2019 5:12 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
> "...At the same time, Apple is undergoing a metamorphosis, from a
> company that sells electronics to one that offers services that run on
> those devices. Sparked in part by declining iPhone sales, the change
> also makes data an increasingly important part of Apple’s own business.
> That is especially true for products such as Siri, Apple’s competitor to
> Amazon’s Alexa and Google’s Assistant. Those services use artificial
> intelligence, which improves as the amount of data it receives
> increases..."


Other than some of the Chinese brand phone manufacturers it's not just
Apple whose phone sales are declining, Samsung's having the same issue.
Apple's actually doing pretty good in comparison. There will be a big
bump in phone sales in 2020 when the 5G phones with mmWave hit the
market because a lot of users are postponing their phone upgrades while
waiting for 5G models. It doesn't matter that the carriers are just
launching 5G now, people keep their phones longer and longer and are
delaying upgrading while waiting for the 5G models.

Apple has huge upside in services. Apple Music has passed Spotify in
total U.S. subscribers and is available on multiple platforms. AppleTV+
comes free for a year with new Apple hardware and that gives Apple time
to add sufficient content to AppleTV+ that will make it worth paying
$4.99 a month for. Samsung is including AppleTV+ support in their new
smart TVs.

Apple bought Texture and turned it into Apple News+, and if anyone can
make such a service a success it's Apple. Apple could also offer a
combination subscription of TV+, Music, and News+. Texture supported
multiple platforms, including iOS, macOS, Android, and Windows, but
Apple News+ only supports iOS, something that they should change.
Personally I'd happily pay $12 per month for an individual combination
subscription of TV+, Music, and News+, and $25 per month for a combo
family subscription.

> Apple update for user privacy fuels questions and criticism
>


It is true that iOS 13 is rather annoying for Tile users with constant
reminders that Tile is using location services in the background. No way
around that.

The market for Tile-like devices that use Bluetooth for location
tracking is huge and those devices are very cheap to manufacture and
have huge margins. A Tile device is about $25. They could sell them for
$10 and still have good margins. Apple will have a huge competitive
advantage in this market.
nospam (12-04-19, 12:42 AM)
In article <qs6nl8$fht$1>, sms
<scharf.steven> wrote:

> Other than some of the Chinese brand phone manufacturers it's not just
> Apple whose phone sales are declining,


apple's sales are not declining, except in china, which has recovered.

> Samsung's having the same issue.
> Apple's actually doing pretty good in comparison. There will be a big
> bump in phone sales in 2020 when the 5G phones with mmWave hit the
> market because a lot of users are postponing their phone upgrades while
> waiting for 5G models. It doesn't matter that the carriers are just
> launching 5G now, people keep their phones longer and longer and are
> delaying upgrading while waiting for the 5G models.


very, very few people are postponing buying a new phone.

iphone 11 sales are incredibly strong, as are samsung's latest models,
neither of which have 5g.

> Apple has huge upside in services. Apple Music has passed Spotify in
> total U.S. subscribers and is available on multiple platforms. AppleTV+
> comes free for a year with new Apple hardware and that gives Apple time
> to add sufficient content to AppleTV+ that will make it worth paying
> $4.99 a month for. Samsung is including AppleTV+ support in their new
> smart TVs.


you don't speak for everyone.

many people already think it's worth paying for.

> Apple bought Texture and turned it into Apple News+, and if anyone can
> make such a service a success it's Apple. Apple could also offer a
> combination subscription of TV+, Music, and News+. Texture supported
> multiple platforms, including iOS, macOS, Android, and Windows, but
> Apple News+ only supports iOS, something that they should change.
> Personally I'd happily pay per month for an individual combination
> subscription of TV+, Music, and News+, and per month for a combo
> family subscription.


but you just said there's nothing worth watching on apple tv+.

> > Apple update for user privacy fuels questions and criticism
> >

> It is true that iOS 13 is rather annoying for Tile users with constant
> reminders that Tile is using location services in the background. No way
> around that.


who cares. tile doesn't work for shit. the chances that someone else
running the tile app and passes nearby a lost tile is close to zero,
and if they do, it's only a rough approximation of the actual tile.

apple's version will leave tile in the dust because with roughly 1
billion ios devices, it's virtually guaranteed that *someone* with an
ios device will pass by a lost device, if not many, many people, and
with uwb, the *exact* position can be determined.

> The market for Tile-like devices that use Bluetooth for location
> tracking is huge and those devices are very cheap to manufacture and
> have huge margins. A Tile device is about $25. They could sell them for
> $10 and still have good margins. Apple will have a huge competitive
> advantage in this market.


apple's competitive advantage is that theirs will actually work.

the question is why it's been delayed.
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